I have a X1 E84 with the N20 engine. I got this issue and luckily BMW covered it 100%. Id rather not pay more money. PROCEDURE The engine is running rough at idle. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. As the outgoing N52 and N53 were reliable engines, the BMW N20 had big shoes to fill, especially given its turbocharged design. It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. SITUATION They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. One customer describe his 2013 BMW F18 525Li with 61000km mileage got trouble.The car engine warning light on and central display "Transmission malfunction".But it can start engine and accelerate normally.More repair cases about BMW,please check here:BMW Trouble Repair Use BMW ISID to diagnose,got trouble code as below: Fault Code: 135401 Fault Explanation: Valvetronic: overloaded I bought an x3 28ix build on 07/2015, model 2016 with 124000km. C. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. You should ask the dealer about it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. Common Symptoms Increase in fuel consumption Poor engine performance Possible misfire on start-up Cold start issues Possible Causes There are several possible causes for this code, such as: Damaged camshaft position sensor Defective crankshaft position sensor Any help would be appreciated your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. Page 1 of 4 E84 and E89: Reply Quote. Is this related to the new engine I got? No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. Example: 180101 or 1B9308 or 30FF Enter fault code Emissions Standard Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. No one knows what this CDA904 code means. Changed the oil filter and OIL. The timing chain & guides are bathed in engine oil, not fuel. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. All wiring lines are good. Then I decided to switch out the actuators to see if the fault was going to move. Earlier this week I took my 2012 328i to dealership because check engine light came on. Took the car to an independent shop this morning and he just called and told me its code P2609 which means engine is running too lean. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. So I have an US 2013 BMW sdrive28i with 109k miles build date 02/2013. Are there many vehicles that run on ethanol in the United States? 108f01 The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. Your email address will not be published. Changed the solenoid valves. Do you replace the units in such case, or do you know a trick to lose them? Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Its a possibility that the motor could be saved,,,,but it would take a lot of money and time,,,there has been some people of done their own DIY and fixed the engine depending on what is damaged,,,if it is just the timing chain,rails , oil pump and hopefully the bearing arent bad and no damage to the pistons and valves the repairs might not be that bad,,,,you have to realize you have 176k miles which is a lot.,,,and what about the transmission is that next to fail? Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? If governor works properly engine cant 9600 rpm. It has 115k miles on it so I am worried about the timing chain problem, but It was manufactured in 10/2011 which is before the listed date here (06/2012). Thank you so much for your advice. 2. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . Hi Im wondering do I need to have a 7/70 warranty to get BMW cover for this problem? has reduced power output. BMW Fault Code Lookup Enter a BMW fault code (P or hex), complete the Captcha, and click "Search" P-Codes will start with a P and are usually generated by generic scanners. I appreciate your help. Required fields are marked *. When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection E89 designates changes to this revision are the codes it wont start i have a timing chain set on the way have you seen any of these engine survive after Question,,,,,why did we replace the DME with a used one,,,that might be a problem,,,,a used DME can not be used because it is programmed and encoded to a different car,,,,what is wrong with your DME? for this problem there is a software update available. diagnosis system checking faults) Loaner vehicle was included. N20 engines were released in 2011 and began phasing out in 2016 in favor of the new BMW B48 engine. Do you know if the new Vanos assemblies comes with the upgraded bolts or do I still need to change out the 4 Vanos Gear bolts on a new assembly? to performing repairs, please see SI B01 02 11 for Emissions Warranty Coverage and refer to the or reference point is the same? My daughters car had the timing chain issue N20. In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? Now I'm getting the drivetrain malfunction every time I start my car. Ok,,,,no the sprocket does not have to be in a special position,,,,you have to lock down both camshaft with special tool,,,engine on TDC,,,,you have to tighten the chain tensioner and then you can tighten both vanos unit,,,you should be able to hand turn over the engine to TDC and lock down the camshafts again with the tool and you should be fine after that. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. Is there a or way trick to clear the code without seeing a mechanic or using a code reader?ledrew, No there is no way to trick it,,,you would have to scan it and clear it with a diagnostic scanner,,,it will clear as long as it is not a permanent fault then it wont clear. Thats important to know for later. New chain and guides and so far no problems. The original window sticker says my car was 65% made in Germany and 5% in Canada or something. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014, Boy thats a old bulletin,,,,but yes this could be your issue,,,,you just need to check your integration level and make sure its below what is required. Is there possible timing not to be correct on the intake vanos unit?! Do you think it has to do something with the timing belt. check out the. Warranty. The N20 is a 2.0L inline-4 single turbo engine that replaced the naturally aspirated 3.0L N52/N53. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached SB-10053485-8362 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. charger. 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. This documentation is not necessary when part of an approved Technical Service repair procedure; Thanks for any input. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. The old oil filter was stuck onto the basket. To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. Code 131501 Variable camshaft timing control VANOS intake cold start- not controllable One or more of the following faults is stored in the While mine does have some kind ofticking noise when it starts up, and I had noticed it prior to buying it, a mechanic I had check out the vehicle prior to the purchase said that all BMW engines make that noise and it is nothing to worry about. Im wondering if I can just replace those bolts with new steel ones , my car is out of warranty and it has not develop any issues yet , but as precautionary measure I was wondering if this is possible? Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. By any chance do you know how long will the dealerships receive this extended warranty info after the case settles? We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. After many iterations I decided to restart the engine without clearing the boost disable fault and amazingly the VANOS cold start faults didnt appear. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. I dont want to sell the car because nobody is going to give me what I bought it for. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. I have the alignment tool to lock the crankshaft, camshafts and impulse sending wheel. Any thoughts!!! Page 3 of 4 Thank you in advance. I bought a BMW F20 118i with N13 1.6 engine. Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. New battery installed. Code 131501 returned. I have 13 bmw 335i xdrive with a vsrf catless downpipe, afe intake, Remus exhaust, jb4 on map 2 and jb4 connect kit. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. After replacing the timing chain in my N20 (2012 528i), it repeatably gives the fault codes 131401 and 131501 for VANOS cold start not controllable for the exhaust and intake cams. I want to make sure this issue is fixed. If one of the applicable faults listed above is stored in the DME then continue with the Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. It is still worth inquiring about at your local dealership. The short version of this story is that the car is working now. 2013 X3 N20 28i. Robert, is your location in Canada, given km instead of miles are used in your post? Should I proactively replace the timing chain tensioner, part number 11318685091 (replaces part number 11317567680)? Hey, The ticking noise is normal on all N20 engine during cold start and then it get quieter when it warms up,,,what Im more worried about if the car has a whining noise and also trying to get the timing chain and rails replaced under BMW extended warranty. Is there a way to test this? Thanks for this. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. 3. The engine start ok. no misfiring. So temperatures make difference. Now how I understand it is this is not a timing issue. CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. It looks like the car is on this recall list. Hi bmw technician. also it has a start stall initially. Hello there. Thank you, Rev match I say problem. Hi. The production date of the car was 2015-11-17. E84 and E89 Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. Il motore N20 esordisce nel marzo 2011 sotto il cofano della BMW X1 xDrive28i, ed in versione da 245 CV, ma sei mesi dopo stato affiancato da una versione depotenziata, in grado comunque di sviluppare 184 CV. But the solutions havent worked for me. That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME My car has very low mileage, is in excellent condition and I really enjoy driving it, but this potential catastrophe has me concerned.Thank you for your time & expertise. Could you please guide me? Thank you for your time and expertise. Labor: 1.0. SHAME ON BMW!!!!! its really a shame that BMW does not step up. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . 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