I have a SCCY too. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. capacity. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. LMFAO!!!! Non shooters called me a liar that we could do it, but any bad guy within 30 yards is in great danger, even though it has been a long time. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. When I hear someone put down the Pico, I know they do not shoot often. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? Worst Guns Ever Nambu: The Nambu is one of the worst pistols ever designed. I some what question these results mainly because I own one of the guns on this list. Lol, I think he is a troll with other guns as well. Solid with FMJ round nose once broken in, will NOT feed hollow points until after a trip back to the factory. Sold it and picked up an LCP off a friend for $150. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? 5 Best 380 Pistols for Concealed Carry in 2022 - Gun News Or had a bad exp. Sure, I can see how many people liked or didnt like a firearm, but more important than that is the REASON they voted the way they did. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. The very concealable gun has a barrel length of only 2.5 inches. Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. It has the stopping power necessary to approach a threat, while still maintaining the size required for comfortable everyday carry. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. Personally, Id avoid far more than just the bottom six. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. I just hated the trigger. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. He says it is a blunder. Encountered types on the old KT forums that whines like a little girl. I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. In other words, its not pleasant to shot at all. Bottom line, a lifetime warranty isnt worth squat if they cant fix the problem and their only answer is to blame the customer. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. customer service should you need it that transfers with the gun. I got a Glock26, and have been happy ever since! The SCCY has one of the best rating out of these guns on your post. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. Thats not exactly The TRUTH About Guns. More power to him I say. As in best gun LOL. The guy did a service to the gun community by creating this website and writing a cautionary article, and some assholes gotta focus on the self-promotion. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. Oh wow I finally got their awful website to workP3at is #1! Do not yank the magazine friends. Did you ever lubricate the gun, or did you just load it and shoot it? based on what your stupid opinion? Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. Everyones hand size and perception of recoil is different and therein lies the beauty of having choice. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. Seriously?). +1. And they didnt offer to just replace the thing, which is what I would do rather than leaving a dissatisfied customer wholl then post a comment like this on the internet. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. And a PPK has the solid feel of pure quality. Caveat: I bought mine used, so I dont know if the previous owner had done any tweaking to get it that reliable or not, or whether a factory-fresh one would need any sort of break-in period. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. My shooting buddy has an LCP. I think the wheel guns are less likely to have a problem. So special, they ride the short bus. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. I really think you never did anything with the Pico other than Picking one up and then getting of the internet and posting without any knowledge of how to use the firearm. The sccy is very similar. At 10.2 ounces, the trim Taurus 738 is a very light pistol, and with an overall length of just 5.25 inches its easy to conceal even under light I have several pocket pistols, Just had my XDS 45 fail on me (Light primer strikes) and have another XDS in 9MM, I have a S&W Sigma 380, that works but is less pleasing than my two Ruger LCPs, Kahr, CW380, or my Colt Mustang XSP. Im a Glock 27 guy, so I dont mind recoil. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. Did anybody take the poor performing guns to a reputable gunsmith and have them tuned up? They are all solid, dependable, and reliable. I have a brand new Cobra that has never fired a shot ! Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. Never had a malfunction, easy to shoot, accurate, and good looking whats not to like? Do you really know anything about pocket guns? Um the SCCY is a near exact copy of the nearby(Cocoa,Fl) Keltec P-11. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. The .380 ACP semi-automatic pistol is one of the most popular categories of concealed carry weapons in the United States and has been for years. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. Im not saying every single person who votes needs to leave a full, detailed review, but encouraging people to at least leave a couple pros/cons would be most helpful. Springfield operator: 5.2 Check out the 380 showdown in GunWorldin 2012all 3 Keltecs broke and wouldnt run right. To send it back would cost to much and the internet dealer would not stand behind it !! But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. By the way John, I have the Kahr, yes nice gun.Shoots well. Nicer than the price would indicate. The ratings would be a lot more reliable if everyone had to write a review along with the rating. From what I understand the early ones with the safety have issues compared to the later ones without a safety. After each guns name, youll see its average user rating, that ratings margin of error and the number of votes: 1) Diamondback Firearms DB380 (4.3 stars 1.0, 25 votes). I like mine. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg Both shoot about the same as far as low recoil. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. This gun looks a whole lot like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P-3AT. Its not. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. (dead serious) took it right back to the store. TTAG is the Roseanne Barr of reviews. Taurus TCP voted best value-best overall 380 was Kahr p380-MUCH more expensive. 8===D~. Ive seen tons of positive reviews of the CPX2. Then I go to the LGS and shoot the guns myself, having sorted down to a handful that might meet my needs. And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. I alone will take up the Masterpiece banner, carry it aloft, plant it on the nearest peak and proclaim, Get thee 6 extra recoil springs and thou shalt have a decent pistol for a year or more, even.. WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. I told him Im shooting the same Remington ammo in all of them (I dont use the reloads or Russian stuff). (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. CPX 2. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. I also have the Kahr. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. Have owned and shot most of them. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. The mag will spring out when done correctly. SCCY CPX-2 is a very good gun. Definitelythe first Gen 1 models had problemsHowever, the second Gen 2 models are fine. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ Actually bought a second one. My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. The .380 ACP is not a powerhouse, but its often enough. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. I shoot a lot of pocket guns. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. Current (and Growing) List of Exhibitors at the Texas Firearms Festival. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. you have to wear shorts with a tucked in shirt), the LCP II will be a great option. No problems when used within its limits. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. The Mag release is a piece of cake. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. Suprised about the Kahr, Beretta, and Diamondback. Jed Henson runs the handgun review and rating site gunsgunsguns.net. I must be the unicorn master then, because I own each of the firearms listed, except the Hellcat, (I have never heard of it before this article) and have never had an issue with any of them. Ive no complaints. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. Mild. The Pico is built like a tank. How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. Im thinking about getting a second one to keep in my truck or with my bow hunting gear. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. Have you put more than a box through it? Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. Hi points work if you use FMJ and clean and oil the gun. In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. Recently we exchanged and shot each others weapon, I have a Taurus LCP 380. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. Does this guy have any gun expertise? The Beretta Pico is probably one of Berettas biggest blunders. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. Theyve reportedly improved it in newer model LCPs. Empties wouldnt just fail to clear the slide; theyd never leave the chamber. Happy ending. :p. People generally avoid spam masquerading as journalism. WebSome derringers, like the Bond Arms derringers, are brilliantly crafted guns. I fell for the Pico hype. These guns shoot any ammo I have fed it. All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Everything they make are just wrought with problems. I just dont see the silent u in that. Its tight, even well after break-in. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. You hold the slide back to engage the cocking. We even joked that we needed to start a Pocket Gun Palma match. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. Ive been averaging one light hammer strike every magazine or two, that requires a second pull of the trigger to ignite, regardless of ammo brand. You can get these on line at times for AND, NAA has first class warranty service. You sound smart. Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. There are two primary uses for the LCP II: concealed carry and/or as a back-up pistol. You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. They are well known for their % of guns that have failure rates compared to the ones that dont. Glad I didnt see mine. I love the Pico. They know media though. The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. The only thing about that bill is that allows those in a govt approved marksmenship program to buy them first. Generally the heavier it is the less recoil. But people usually get .380 to conceal them. If you just care about recoil the Berretta cheeta is a go check the ammo?? Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. Probably have about 2500 rounds through it. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. I owned a SCCY CPX-2 (notice the past tense). What a joke. 400 rounds! Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. Yet one more advantage for the LCP II is the fact that the slide locks back on the final round fired to signal you are empty. How is this journalisim? The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. I certainly wouldnt be happy. Great gun otherwise. Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. A bunch. We saw your review and write up. Id never heard of the site; wanted to check it out to see how much I want to buy the article at face value. The wisdom of the crowd phenomenon? The design was intended to produce more accuracy while only sacrificing marginal power. Or the Kahr in there? The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. Shoot to make the thug dead. Also it would be great to know if the people voting own the guns they are rating and/or if they have ever shot them. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. Wrong about sccy. In a fight you wont notice it. Basically I hate these guns because I hate these guns, and you should too because I do. This is the closest I have ever been to accusing TTAG of pandering to the highest advertising contributors (i. e. not a SINGLE Taurus gun on here? How is it possibly at the top of the list? The grip is also slightly enlarged in order to get a better grip, with an improved stippling job as well to better accommodate wet or slippery conditions. I limited this list to the bottom six guns to reduce room for disagreement and keep it simple. Just my two. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? The small NAA revolvers make a good back up weapon, I own three of the little guns. That being said, the LCP II can also be carried IWB or in an ankle holster just as easily as it could be carried in a pocket. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. HICKCOCK45 SAID OF THE PICO I really like this trigger. I understand its not for everyone but its a good quality firearm with excellent customer service. Oh, it fits my hand great too. They pretty much invented the theory of if you get a good one its good, but when you get a bad one its bad. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. All guns I would have avoided anyway, except the Pico. Sure just I used to have one. Trigger sucked. Anonymous reviews should be taken VERY suspiciouslyof all product, not just guns. Oh shit! Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. Split chassis, cracked frames, split rails, broken take down pins. Its easy to see why: .380 pistols are typically small enough to carry in the pocket, they are unquestionably smaller and lighter than competing 9mm single stack autos or .38 snubnose revolvers. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. These are not military combat weapons. Ive heard more than a handful of DEALERS who rate it a much better overall weapon than the KelTec which it resembles, and the machining does appear superior in my estimation. None. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. Wouldnt take much time for an employee or contractor of one of these manufacturers to buff up the ratings, or down rate a competitor. I have had my CPX 2 and have shot many hundreds of rounds through it, no jams, no misfires, not really impressed with the rear sites, so I put a laser on it and it is accurate, I like not having a safety on it, but with 9 pounds of trigger pressure you do not need a safety. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Reliability is certainly suspect with a few of the .380's. I chose. Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. either love or hate. I live in Utah, so in the wintertime its a very high probability that Ill be wearing some type of glove. Only time I tried one I did not like it. They never protected their early designs/. They still fall back to the limp wrist and ammo excuses. The Picos have a huge fan base. Note to self, Get to the range! WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE .380 POCKET PISTOL? People cant make crap up in their comments? I own two of them, and they have turned out to be the highest quality most reliable firearms I own. Ruger sought out to remedy much of these problems with the LCP II. It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. First of all I do have the Kahr and like the gun very much. I carry it about as often as I carry a Glock 19 mainly based upon clothing/belt shortcomings in dress scenarios. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? What good is a lifetime warranty if they dont fix it??? Tiny little semi-automatics sure, there are many good ones and many bad ones. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. This article was total BS. When you insert a fresh magazine, it will be easier to rack the slide this way as well. Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. Thats a lot! I was glad not to see Kel Tac on the bottom list. The Kahr is an excellent unit and I have years of experience with them over Tens of Thousands of rounds fired. It shot pretty well overall, but the trigger sucked. I wouldnt bother to get that info from this site. yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? Hey, look Will eventually add a CW380 as a BUG and for times when the CM40 is just too big ha ha. That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. I would very much like to see your proof/examples. The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. I love this gun for the price, and just because its not made by Glock means nothing to me. Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? As long as you shoot the recommended ammo and keep your weapon cleaned, oiled properly, and replace any defective parts you will get much better performance. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? Stainless Steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, built like a tank. Well, yes, Gigli did suck, but that wasnt known until later. The Ring of Fire guns are small, super We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. All semi auto weapons will jam at one time or another, and dont feel the same in everyones hand.. I agree, the P3AT is my go to light carry gun. I own a SCCY CPX-2 personally and it has been a flawless gun. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. Ruger LCP Max 2. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. Those were the worst. This article was amateurishly conceived and executed, even if only judging by the hit-piece commentary on the SCCY. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. It is a small barrel gun NOT a target gun. AMEN . I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. Certainly it should appear on the Wikipedia page. How so? After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. SCCY Industries CPX-2 (4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes) This gun is budget-friendly And than some. Theres room for disagreement, but probably only because some peoples pockets are bigger and can hold bigger guns. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. George have you tried a different ammo brand? While the track is double, both trains were traveling in opposite directions on the same line near the Vale of Tempe, a river valley about 380 kilometers (235 miles) north of Athens. Every gun has its limitations and knowledge goes a long way to ensure a positive outcome when it happens. Must be the best gun ever. But, it doesnt like to be dirty. When he says the People have spoken who the heck is that? they do have a 200 round break in that they tell you to expect possible fails also. How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? Painful to shoot, yes, but thats what you get when the gun barely weighs more than the bullet it fires. How many times does anyone complain about a bad trigger in a self defense situation? I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. For those of you looking specifically for a concealed carry pistol, hold off on buying a Glock just yet. I am surprised high point 380 & 9mm werent included in your list. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. My God, have you really shot or even handled one? The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. Totally agree. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. Im not going to bash talk the CPX-2 , but its going to take me a while to get use to it. In fact, reading them, even with comments, is quite nearly a waste of time. Id limit my search to guns rated north of 6.0 on my surveyand Id stay far away from the below-average offerings from Jimenez, Boberg, NAA, MasterPiece, etc. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? Go to Genitron and compare.And very little muzzle flip. Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. Have you ever even shot one? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. All of these features together, the improved trigger, the enhanced serrations, the stippling on the grip, and the slightly wider grip size all combine to make the LCP II a better handgun to shoot than the original LCP. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. Booth #72617 Cabot Guns I do feel though that its a little too light for a 9mm caliber . I have received grief for it as well. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. IT is NOT stiff at all. I have shot the Pico with thousands of rounds and can honestly say I have Never had ONE single failure out of thousands of rounds. The Manual says clearly not to dry fire the gun without snap caps. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns Also you gotta test the ammo you intend to use. Try posting a survey asking for votes on Glocks, for instance, and you will get a very polarized response . What utter nonsense!
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