He would not comment on the findings, but said everyone who tested positive was notified. I do not know or care, where your stats came from. As for the CAR, that might be another story. The Iraqui and Afghan war vets are getting PTSD Tx. OK I also am wary of statistics thrown out on the web, being a former Marine and a Viet Nam Vet I looked up the numbers from one of the sources indicated.. found that the Naval Health Institute who crunches no. dont know about You posted this on September 2nd. No 'Welcome Home' parades for Vietnam vets. (LOL) Especially if you are happily married. According the them there was a giant wall that stopped all aerial spraying and river flow from the rivers into the Gulf of Tonkin where we got our drinking, cooking and bathing water just like the Aussie sailors in the Gulf the Aussie government through scientific studies found that drinking the water from the Navy desalination processors actually concentrated the dioxins rather than filter them out. Soon we won't have any World War II Veterans remaining. I may be crazy but Im not stupid. I am ex medic one-oh-worst airborne div. Are Vietnam vets respected? Heres the rub. In popular culture, the stereotype of the broken, homeless Vietnam vet began to take hold thanks to films like The Deer Hunter (1978), Coming Home (1978) and First Blood (1982). Locality: Detroit, in the state of Michigan. I was wondering about these statistics. He and I just emailed each other on Jan. 2, 2011. This is around 9.7 percent of the generation at the time. In my 60s now, retired disabled veteran live on my little firebase with my wife we both married for the first time she was 41 I was 43 share our life with our 11 dogs and 2 cats. losing nearly 711,000 between 95 and 00. Combat Medic Good luck and take care -Jim. Often asked: What To Say In A Letter To A Veteran? I appreciate the respect of thank you because that was something I never received when I came home. As of the year 2015, around 1,600 of those individuals were still considered unaccounted for. The Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA), which is part of the United States Department of Defense, reports that there were a total of 687 American prisoners of war who survived the Vietnam War. Often, just being in the TAOR, tactical area of responsibility will qualify you for a CIB? Roughly 300-thousand veterans have died from Agent Orange exposure -- that's almost five times as many as the 58-thousand who died in combat. they have in all wars. Hope that helps. Thats 390 per day. What amazes me however is that so many of my comrades who served in Vietnam and who suffer from many of the maladies associated with this war would serve again. Gerry Wiggins, who served in Vietnam from 1968 to 1969, has already lost friends to the disease. Mike, age approximated to be 54 years old., If youre alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the last They quickly filed paperwork with the Department of Veterans Affairs, or VA, for disability payments. Hi Mike, I came home in 69, my hair fell our,got big pustuals on my back, and skin problems immediately. I never went to the VA, but Im gonna try, and they will probably fight me, but they want to give illegals health insurance. 1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August, Do you have any statistics on how many of the so called BWN vets are coming down with AO related presumptive diseases. I found out he was on the plane behind me after roll call satin the rain and mud Any way you cut it, the saga of self- destruction was frequent and very, very sad. The Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that there are roughly 7.2 million living veterans in the world today. have similar data. The Current Situation Regarding the Missing and Unaccounted for American Service Members Who Were Killed in Vietnam. They mainly noticed that people seemed uncomfortable around them and did not appear interested in hearing about their wartime experiences.. A half century after serving in Vietnam, hundreds of veterans have a new reason to believe they may be dying from a silent bullet test results show some men may have been infected by a. Strapped to a gurney in a retrofitted bus, Wowwk and other wounded servicemen felt excitement at being back on American soil. Its better than them walking away and not even recognizing you. Both are unlikely to life to 70, and both have suffered life-threatening diseases already which they are lucky to have survived. -----In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. The AO stuff is just so hard to tolerate as it still invades so many of us. Thus, a follow-up mo. i just found out that they will not cover navy personal that didnt go ashore & do have agent orange in there blood . one thing they have mentioned is verified stressors. (Reuters Health) - Higher than average death rates among Vietnam War veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) suggest that combat trauma may still be affecting veterans' health even decades after the war, according to a new study. Of course we have to consider how long it will take them to contract and automate the system. Starting to live with zest at 60 aint so bad. The disability compensation that some veterans get from the VA is factored into the average for veterans. How the hell can anyone answer this question? In response to several comments, Ive never heard of anyone other than a grunt in Vietnam being eligible for the CIB. We are not dying off that fast. Abit more images would be nice. It was after returning to the U.S. and while en route to the hospital that Wowwk first encountered hostility as a veteran. Like our Vietnam Brothers, who followed a decade after us, there is a bond that can never be broken between us. Veterans returning from Vietnam were met with an institutional response marked by indifference. 1 just disappeared, and then theres me. I have heard to many times of other shipmates getting ischemic heart disease or diabetes I for one had a heart attack and quadruple bypass surgery but no boots on the ground. Thanks Jim, that was very thorough. "But until further research, a recommendation cannot be made either way.". god bless america,and our veterans. Sorry about the delay here in answering. My room mate was nick named Budda in the 134th. Where is the museum and website referred to as the source of the figure 850,000 living Vietnam veterans? I came back from nam in January of 70.Got out September remember being called a baby killer,monster etc ,was not spit on ,but had I been would have given back a proper response.When I came back was wearing my medals and CIB etc. Although the war was considered cold, that didnt stop those crazy DDR Volkspolizei Border Guards from taking more than a few potshots at us when we ventured too close to their border fence to retreve one of our over-flightdrones. INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS. Mike Baughman holds a 1971 photo of himself in his U.S. Army uniform at his home in Danville, California on Aug. 2, 2016. For myself I always felt that the millions of men who were in uniform before me returned to civilian life, I could do the same, when I went into the army, I was Born: 09/15/1946. It has been a great experience. served in-country . Went looking for a new job,on foot walking many miles every day,but when they foung out that i was a vietnam veteran they would not hire me.Some would ask if I was a Drug addict 0r killed people etc. Vietnam was a lost war, and it was the first major lost war abroad in American history, Lembcke says. Do you think there shouldnt be any baggage there? Then ask, Do you think I might have been affected by this ambiguity between grounded reality in the tri canopy jungle and political reality at home which was counter to the troops welcome return (sarcasm). Well, one thing to remember is that not all Vietnam veterans were born in 1945 or later. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial was dedicated on November 10 . #16174111 - 05/03/12 07:01 AM (10 . We can only pray that the current generation of young men and women who are the current targets of a cottage-industry of professionals who thrive on making them all impaired will fare better than we did. We were in the tents in the mud in 1966 /67 . you guys read to many bullshit books!!! What is the average lifespan of a veteran? When my wife and I go to a restaurant I always ask for a booth or table by the wall, so I can see whats going on around me. Mike 520-360-6933. 101st Airborne 1971 I was in uniform for 26 years and served honorably and faithfully. Food for thought. i had no idea i could apply for a cib, but would like to. Dan Bullock (December 21, 1953 June 7, 1969) was a United States Marine and the youngest U.S. serviceman killed in action during the Vietnam War, dying at the age of 15. We who served America do not deserve this treatment. Most Vietnam Veterans are in their 60s and the average lifespan for a male in USA is 74. Two things I have to add, one is that many Viet Nam Veterans died in the line of duty as Law Enforcement Officers (odmp.org) and that as a police officer I was not prone to PTSD , I hope more were like me. Before the lottery was implemented in the latter part of the Vietnam conflict, there was no system in place to determine order of call besides the fact that men between the ages of 18 and 26 were vulnerable to being drafted. IE 11 is not supported. Endemic in the rivers of Vietnam, the worms can easily be wiped out with a handful of pills early on, but left untreated they can live for decades without making their hosts sick. HEROLD, W.Va. A half century after serving in Vietnam, hundreds of veterans have a new reason to believe they may be dying from a silent bullet test results show some men may have been infected by a slow-killing parasite while fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia. You must be a U.S. citizen or resident alien. Yer pal, Ferraeri Bubba. 2015if any.. tell everyone that was their to go & get a blood test to check for agent orange 1st comes diabetes then prostate cancer thats what a dr told me yesterday. How Many Veterans Are Enrolled In College? Originating from New York City, Tom Selleck. Veterans Fight PTSD and Injuries With Sailing, More Than 100 Sickened in Arizona Cryptosporidium Parasite Outbreak. Hello John: Local boards called men classified 1-A, 18-1/2 through 25 years old, oldest first. M c Clurg, Ernest H. Some of it came from a VFW Post. in only 6-10 years.. *STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS: * What is a combat vet? I am not sure anyone will ever quantify the exact number of suicides. Brault Some, like Wowwk, say they had invectives hurled their way; others, like naval officer Ford Cole, remember being spit on. (Reuters Health) - Higher than average death rates among Vietnam War veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) suggest that combat trauma may still be affecting veterans' health even decades after the war, according to a new study. There are tons of Era Vets who are categorized as Vietnam Veterans, which is sort of true, but they are Vietnam ERA Vets, and never left the United States. We read this article at our last meeting thanks again. or the Central Highlands and operations in between. Pete. It wasnt a bad idea at all, as Ive learned everything on the Kinah making aspect in this game. This was partly due to the logistics of the never-ending conflict. They may look appealing but can actually take up to 5 years to schedule a hearing. does not receiving a cib mean im not a combat vet? What seeds should I start indoors in February. Sen Jim Webb when he was Secretary of the Navy wrote an excellent article how the media, and in some cases the goverment gave birth to the myth that all Nam vets were in some way impaired or Rambos waiting to happen. When I returned to the U.S. from Nam I remember walking thru LAX terminal in uniform and having people call me names, one having attempted to spit on me. And yet our government which is one of the best in the world scares the crap out of me. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? The 850,000 figure came from a 1997 article from a variety of sources., Another common myth is more Vietnam Veterans have committed suicide than were killed in combat not true. Even though thousands served with the Infantry units as FOs, Dog Handlers, EOD etc. that stuff got into everything -even breathing it in did a # on everyone that is how the guys in the navy got it. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? second tour. So few can imagine that we were really sprayed with chemicals and had to live with the year of VA Denial. There is only ONE KIND OF VIET NAM VET,,ONE WHO WAS THERE. Seventeen year-old James Calvin Ward was one of them. but sofar nothing how many are reallyleft? Twenty-one-year-old Steven A. Wowwk arrived as an infantryman in the Armys First Cavalry Division in Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam in early January 1969 to fight in an escalating and increasingly unwinnable war. Vietnam veterans hold a silent march down Pennsylvania Avenue past the White House here on April 22, 1971. He was among those who got the call. Semper Fi to your hubby. Ill never ware a baseball cap again ever! so in 2190 days.from today, lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive. I had them look at my VA narrative pointing out stressors and stressor events in the Nam. Then compare that report to the Tripler Psychologist report of a (get this) 5 minute interview. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20. 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in VietNam ?!?!? have my Library and collection of movies, my garage and my dogs and cats. By then, patients are often in tremendous pain, with just a few months to live. He immediately scheduled further tests, discovering he had two cysts on his bile duct, which had the potential to develop into the cancer, known as cholangiocarcinoma. My name is Jason Gunn and I am a veteran of OIF with the First Armor Div. On June 7, 1969, Bullock was killed by small arms fire while on night watch at An Hoa combat base. But he remains angry that other veterans' last days are consumed by fighting the same government they went to war for as young men. I am rated 100% disabled and damn happy to be privileged and capable of pushing out this small Blog. The Obituaries in the Veteran Magazine published by Vietnam Veterans of America, a highly credible organization, have a long list of birthdays between 1946-50. In my military career, I personaly wrote CIB support letters for over 20 non-11B soldiers whom I knew had spent more than 180 days in a forward deployed posture and were under combat conditions, 6 receiving purple hearts none received the CIB. This article highlights the eligibility criteria and important information for filing a claim for benefits. In 2018, the median income of Vietnam veterans and that of non-veterans was almost equivalent: It was significantly lower for veterans, who had served their country between the ages of 63 and 78 at the time, coming in at $63,300 as opposed to the average of $65,000 for nonveterans. Last name: Dear Friends abd fellow vets, Guy C. Lamunyon Can you put dead flowers in food waste bin? Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer Div. But what are you doing in addition to saying thank you?. Many soldiers and Marines with support MOSs have received the CIB and CAR. david dolby died 63 yrs old 5 tours in nam. Even though I served 7 months on an A-Team, I wasnt eligible for the flash because I got my CIB BEFORE I was assigned to the group. That number was reasonable: About 9.2 million Americans served in the military during the Vietnam. Thank you. Ach, the memories. Sit in a barbers chair, and let another person cut my hair. Mike. He was the youngest American service member to be killed in the Vietnam War. However, the unit is most well-known for its exploits during the Vietnam War, which took place between 1955 and 1975. I too have found the Veterans War Museum to be a bit odd at times. looking around. good info on your post, keep up the good work! He was 15 years old and had been in-country nearly one month. I am 62, and rated 100% with Agent Orange medical issues. where did this nunber come from, the people I am dealing with look closely at source material and I would really like to use this. Compared to the U. S. population, the mortality rates of Veterans are higher at older ages, and the life expectancy of Veterans are estimated to be 0.7-0.9 life-years shorter for males, and to be 1.2-1.3 life-years shorter for female at age 25, 45, and 65. It is believed that less than 850,000 of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam are still living today; the age of the youngest American Vietnam veteran is around 60 years old. Any anecdotal evidence that has come my way over the years is not from books. The 173rd Infantry Brigade was activated in 1915 and served in World War II. Welcome Home John. These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW Found your article after reading so many obits lately where the guy was a Vietnam vet and wondering. Nice of them. Ant help would be greatly appreciated. Ischemic heart problems. It was apparently based on an estimate that 800,000 Vietnam-era veterans had died by 2000. Im a former member of the 173rd Abn Bde-First (Army) in VNam from The Rock As of this date The American War Library estimates that approximately 610,000 Americans who served on land in Vietnam or in the air over Vietnam between 1954 and 1975 are alive today. Needless to say neither of us flew again after that, he is 100% PTSD . So it is not so much the numbers as the age at which Vietnam Veterans pass on to glory. Mike: Served in the 5th SFGA 4th ID, and E/20th Inf from 69-71; went from E1 to E6 all in the 11B series. To me, It means today is a fresh start and we have one more chance at having a normal life. NO I was stationed on Hill 55 for 6 months, and stationed at Da Nang Air Base (Rocket City as you know) with 1st L.A.A.M. http://501medmen.bizhosting.com thanks rich. I have met many men who were spat upon. i was in a compound & seen them spraying and the next day everywhere they sprayed was brown. Although I have to plan most everything I do so as to avoid the things that still bother me..-I started looking up my VN buddies a few years ago,, so far Ive located 10 men that was in my CompanyTalk to them on a regular basis.Bad part is that out of the 10 men 7 of us have major mental and physical problems. About 30 percent of Vietnam vets have had PTSD in their lifetime, the highest rate among veteran groups from all eras, according to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs' National Center for PTSD. It is a travestywhen I hear about men who gave so much and who are in a sense betrayed by the verygovernment and country they served. Over the entire follow-up period, the total death rate for Vietnam veterans was 17% higher than for other veterans. Millions served in Vietnam. I never want to see another hurt person as long as I live. I will check on this for you. "I didn't think it would be me.". Very good but alarming article. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Thanks for the clarification. Neither of us has since flown again. It can take decades for symptoms to appear. Do you have the form to apply? Jerry Engel/New York Post Archives/NYP Holdings, Inc./Getty Images, The society really was ill-prepared to give these guys what they deserved, says Christian Appy, professor of History at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and author of three books on Vietnam. Lost contact with him years ago, wish him the best. Mike. My girl friend thought I lost it. For a decade, as one person was shipped off to fight, another was returning. GOD BLESS ALL VETS. My husband is former Marine (in Vietnam 1966-67) and diagnosed with Parkinsons, diabetes, etc. to indicate what they want but I do have to believe that these may be close 800k approx left, sort of sobering uh. At a time when I was paying $300 a credit, my entire educational benefit was $126. And when it came to finding a job, he was met with thinly veiled disgust and discrimination from law firms upon learning he was a Vietnam infantry veteran. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? I have a few observations, but I will let you all go first. The VA rejected 80 percent of the requests, but decisions often appeared to be haphazard or contradictory, depending on what desks they landed on, the AP found. I get to testify and present them with the story of a 20 y/o medic carrying dead and wounded around for 14 months in country. (Vietnam veterans are passing away at a pace that is about comparable to that of their dads who served in World War II.) So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by Vallo "Personally, I got what I needed, but if you look at the bigger picture with all these other veterans, they don't know what necessarily to do," he said. Its mostly the exact opposite. Northport VA Medical Center spokesman Christopher Goodman confirmed the New York facility collected the samples and sent them to the lab. How old did you have to be to be drafted in Vietnam? I may have some choice words to express as well. I am an in country vet and 59 years old, your article wasvery informative. lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive.. in only 6 years.. Hopefully since most of us are inot our 60s now we have past the heart attacks and cancers that seem to get you in the 50s and maybe the rate will now slow. Pu u Owaina in Hawaiian. We had it nice compared to the line Medics. WWII and Korean War vets. Celebrations aside, the government also failed to make good on its promises to those who served. I may be able to help you with your claim. Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veterans age approximated to be 60 years old.. I am at 760-550-8083 We can work on both at the same time. Using that same time frame the number of Blue Water Navy . Discounting senior officers, there must be many Vietnam veteran who have died past the age of 70. I took her to Punchbowl and then she understood. Some of the responses did not come through our site in a timely fashion. What a joke. you guys, but kinda gives me the chills, considering this is the kind of ive been asked a few times over the years if im a combat vet. James Ward was one of at least 18 juvenile soldiers killed at Vietnamfive were 16, like him, 11 others were 17, and one was 15 and had forged his birth certificate to join. How do I unlock Wattpad stories without paying? Less than half of them submitted claims for service-related benefits, mostly because they were not aware of a possible connection to Vietnam. Born: 08/27/1943. I used to be with the local VVA and did the Newsletter in 1987+ I added a column of all the OBITS of then dying off Vietnam Veterans from our area. SFC (Ret.) So, lets say there were not more, just, alot. It is still tragic. "We are taking this seriously," said Curt Cashour, a spokesman with the Department of Veterans Affairs. Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veterans "It was surprising," he said, stressing the preliminary results could include false positives and that the research is ongoing. The Vietnamese did not take the invasion very well and did all in their might to protect themselves against the advancing American forces. I know a man who is 86 years old,from Nogales, and was at ground zero at Hiroshima in a grave identification unit, who just filed a claim last year. Cheers. It may precede a counter-appeal. Please look at his webpage: You should document that to the Patient Advocate Office. One tactic employed was the use of booby traps, and to this day, there are several tunnels and ambushes that have been preserved. You must (with very few exceptions) have a high school diploma. Best wishes, I just watched a VN movie about the Hanoi Hilton.. Reading Shineskis October news release, which promised a fast track response to those who suffered from ISD, I immediately re-filed with VA. A few days later VA issued a bulletin essentially saying, Whoa, the approvals would be delayed until sometime in summer 2010 because it had to be published with the Federal government.. But for the time being, we will just all hang together here and beat the odds. 1 The Vietnam veterans, we couldnt believe it. Some may have escaped the digs and harsh words and that is good but make no mistake those things did happen. Hey Mike: We Cold War vets that were stationed in-country, posted in HeilbronnGermany in the 1950s that were proudly servingas part ofthe Alpiners of the502nd ASA Group, gathering intel from those godless, heathen East Germans and Soviets, had their share of hardships too. We saved a lot of people and seen some bad stuff. How many Flowers do you need for each level in June's journey? Their is a ton of it online everywhere. Thanks to our Editor, Mark Evans, I have some raison de etre. This figure far exceeded the expected suicide ratio when balanced by demographics and applied to ONLY those that had served in country. he quickly pinned me up against the wall with a knife to my throat. It is anticipated that the overall number of veterans would fall from 19.5 million in the year 2020 to 13.6 million in the year 2048. I too am a Marine Vietnam Veteran; (7th Marines 67-69), with multiple diagnoses. i got sent to viet nam in the spring of 71 and came back in the spring of 72. my mos was 82c20, surveyor. I have never had or felt the same camaradrie I experienced serving two tours I don't know about you guys, but it kind of gives me the chills. I went back to work (with Government Defense Contractor)where I worked before entering service and was laid off after 1 month.Went to VA rep who did nothing about it,but then sent me for a job as an exterminator.went off on him and asked was this supposed to be closest civilian related occupation. Fact: Assuming KIAs accurately represented age groups serving in Vietnam, the average age of an infantryman (MOS 11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old is a myth, it is actually 22. Some pilots, career men and members of elite units may have been much older. American soldiers returning home from Vietnam often faced scorn as the war they had fought in became increasingly unpopular. "I was in a state of shock," he said. Age: 75. In my mind they were throwing out a SWAG. I was a aircraft sheetmetal repairman. This was partly due to the logistics of the never-ending conflict. Why are Vietnam vets dying so fast? After reading your article, were lucky to have him. He led his men on operations that lasted 30 days or more in some of Vietnams most inhospitable conditions, without shaving, bathing or changing clothing. The figure that floats around alot and that Vet Centers sometimes mention is about 111,ooo from 1973 to 1997. All my Vet friends died from suicide, cancer, heart attack (drinking themselves to death). HISTORY reviews and updates its content regularly to ensure it is complete and accurate. Have you tried to apply? The collective emotion of the country was divided, says Jerry Lembke, a Vietnam veteran, sociologist and author of The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam. It stopped short of urging them to get ultrasounds or other tests, saying there was currently no evidence the vets had higher infection rates than the general population. I just got my crystal ball back from the shop. Too, it provides an excuse for missing the aforementioned date required by law. Ages range from 97 to 55 years old (born between 1918 and 1960). Meanwhile, all my friends were crying that they didnt even have money for transportation.cool news However the main reason for me using an AION kinah guide was to get the millions I needed to buy the best PvP gear at the brokers. Jaundice, itchy skin, weight loss and other symptoms appear only when the disease is in its final stages. In case you havent been paying attention these past few decades after you For those who believe that the stories of being spit on and being called baby killers and other injustices is crap than you are living in a dream world.
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