@doomstoaa: Again where was it confirmed he could do the time loop specifically again outside of Dormammus dimension lol? It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. Since Thanos exists inside the time, his memory will be reset, therefore the time loop won't make him tired and fall like it did to Dormammu. WebSo, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his In Marvel Comics, there are numerous ways one can travel through time, or even manipulate it to one's own advantage. What i'm curious about is why strange didnt use the time stone from the past to restore his own so that future threats like dormmamu wont be a problem. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. How did the Illuminati of Earth-838 Beat Thanos In Doctor Str ), -No Ant man still? Much of this has to do with the introduction of the Multiverse, which first came to the big screen in Spider-Man: No Way Home before expanding to new heights in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. He currently lives in the United States and writes about Marvel, DC, Star Wars and other properties. Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. I think that if the Time stone worked in that dimension, the gaunlet would work just fine, I mean the gaunlet is powered by the stones. But it's clear that while other options might have been available in certain circumstances, Strange responded the best he could to the threat of Thanos in the MCU timeline. The stones would've just kept being a thing otherwise. Yeah but that's when thanos was conscious, I'm saying if they tried this instead of pulling his gauntlet off when he was incapacitated, This all takes place after he sees the only way to win, so you have to assume that he did all the ideas posted here so far and none of them worked. She's important too. When Iron Man and Spider-Man boarded the ship to save Dr. Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. But with the halving of the population, the emergence was delayed for another five years. The Time Stone, one of the six Infinity Stones, is perhaps the easiest and most succinct method; the wielder of the Time Stone can even move objects forwards and backwards through time. Thor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. To see the other way Thanos met defeat, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is in theaters now. Cap verbalizes this difference in ideology when he says that we do not trade lives when talking about destroying the mind stone. Infinity war flips this value on its head and asks if you are willing do the opposite of the heroic action in order to bring about the greater good. In fact, Avengers: Secret Wars title logo and color scheme seem to signal Doctor Dooms Secret Wars upgrade as God Emperor Doom. As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. I think that's one of the reason why Doctor Strange did not used the Time stone during the infinity war. and Strange responds "If I tell you, it won't happen" (I'm paraphrasing here, these might not be their exact quotes), but we can infer that means that Strange thinks he's still on track with his vision (If we were already off track he could just say "No this different already but it doesn't mean its impossible to win" or something like that). A victory for Strange is probabaly something akin to: Defeating Thanos, while also having a way to save countless others, while also not opening the door to allow other powerful beings to come in and get the stones. And he also didn't have his sling ring or else they could've regrouped on earth after they landed on titan. Not all powers work the same way on everyone. Perhaps, duringhis fight with Thanos in Infinity War, he could have aged Thanos into an early (late?) I don't know. Self sacrifice is the essence of what makes a hero a hero in our culture. What if Dr Strange kept looping time with Thanos?Just keep bargaining with Thanos until he gives up like with Dormamu.That would be quite the sight. And found that his passion lays in scriptwriting, where he can combine his love of movies, writing, and storytelling. Every other outcome on Titan is merely delaying eventual defeat since it is inevitable someone much worse than Thanos will one day wield one or more of the stones," the Redditor concluded. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. If even one person is standing a few feet away from where they need to be they could be killed, injured, or too slow to help out another. If this is the case,many are left wondering why Strange didn't intervene. If you didnt know, then Doctor Strange at his absolute best had fought someone who was wielding all the Infinity Stones, and thats Adam Warlock. Kaecilius summoned Dormamu through some kind of ritual, and that took some serious preparation. Doctor Strange 2 seemed to indicate that there was another way to defeat the Mad Titan besides the way it worked out in the Infinity Saga - one that didn't require the world to go through such turmoil. Honestly, we aren't even surprised because Doctor Strange has and always will be an absolute mastermind. One Redditor shared, "Having rewatched Avengers: Endgame, I have come to the conclusion that allowing Thanos to obtain all of the infinity stones was the only way for Dr. His best shot would be with the reality stone, but I felt the reality he projected were more of an illusion than actual reality-wraping (otherwise he could re-shape the whole universe with just that one stone instead of having to collect all six), while illusions would work on almost everyone on avengers, being a master of mystic art, Strange MIGHT be able to see through it, especially if he had prep/forseen it. Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. It has always been evident that Doctor Strange is playing a long game at the end of Infinity War, despite its cataclysmicshort term consequences. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. During Infinity War, in the battle of Titan, Doctor Strange was denied the opportunity of using his time stone against Thanos due to the (IMO) ingenuine-albeit-cop-out limitation of "one victory out of 14,000,605 possibilities" imposed by the scripted writer/directors. However very few of them were willing to sacrifice others for the greater good. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at Maybe the reality stone could counter it if the user can trick the timer into undo the spell/give up the stone. They were headed to Titan to fight Thanos, and he wouldn't be there if the stones weren't there. However, the cost would have been far too great to take on. The rat had to free Ant-man randomly. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. ", Some of these comments show why the ancient one would NEVER have given you the time stone. Thanos should still win, although he'd have to try much harder. Although Avengers: Infinity War debuted in theaters nearly four years ago, MCU fanatics can't help but debate over one pivotal scene involving everyone's favorite Sorcerer, Doctor Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch). I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. 2023 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. I think you're expecting too much from fantasy. Is this the one?" ", I mean the tva just made the timestone look weak as hell even though it is easily the strongest stone all other are nothing compared to it not even the soul the stone is as strong as it. @kell_saloks: I don't think Strange can use another spell while doing time-stop. Dr Strange did attempt to take him to the mirror dimension. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. He knew that there was no possible way to win on Titan but that several things needed to happen and if they did not happen exactly according to his vision victory would be statistically impossible. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. So, if the non-time stones are independent of time, then they could theoretically be able to act outside of normal time and perhaps their combined power lacking time could give their user their independence from time. It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. The biggest hole in this theory is that the Time Stone itself could be powerful enough on its own to reverse the damage to the Gauntlet or Etri's hands, as seen by Thanos using the Stone to restore Vision after his temporary destruction at the hands of Scarlet Witch. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Strange using the time stone meaning he likely would have failed if he tried. Dormammu isn't just new to the concept of time, he doesn't understand the sorcery Strange is employing (who didn't know it was an Infinity Stone). I think that is a big reason why the avengers lost in Infinity war. Then he would use the 4 stones to overpower the time stone and strange would lose his stone. Screen Rant's Managing Editor, Alex Leadbeater has been covering film online since 2012 and been a permanent fixture of SR since 2016. 14 million is closer to zero than it is to infinity. Doctor Strange In the Multiverse Of Madness, who continues to make his presence felt through Phase 4, like the connection to his brother Eros in, Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. WebDr. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. While this horrifies the other Avengers, this clearly isn't a power limited to Kang. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness showed an alternate ending to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame where Thanos was defeated on Earth-838. First using the six Stones to decimate half of the universe and then themselves, he indicated that he was willing to eliminate all life everywhere in Endgame before the Avengers took him down, turning him and his army to dust. The other key difference between the two situations is knowledge of the Time Stone. Would have made for a @user189728 Considering Dr. However the real reason they lost is also the main moral question of the story. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Dormammu was ignorant of the stones and how they worked and how to use them. With the heroes of the MCU seemingly less conditioned to the bizarre limits of the multiverse, they may not have been able to counter before it destroyed their universe in the process. While there may have been other means, the cost to the heroes (and the world as a whole) would have been too great for the Avengers to take. The trio run into more than half of the Guardians of the Galaxy, including Star-Lord (Chris Pratt), Mantis (Pom Klementieff), Drax (Dave Bautista), and Nebula (Karen Gillan). After all, to truly beat him required first havinghim win. It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. The Illuminati Is All but Confirmed for 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness', Marvel's New Trailer for 'Doctor Strange 2' Has Fans Wondering if Wanda is the Villain, 'Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness' Will Be the Scariest MCU Movie Yet. Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? Round 2: Doctor Strange with time stone (with prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, time loop already activated. Could MCU Thanos with 4 stones beat Dr Strange with just time stone, without WIS/PIS? The portal is just used to travel in universe, Strange can't even use it to get back to Earth from Titan. Display of strength is not characteristic of him. 13 Captain America Cap was able to hold back a nearly unstoppable Thanos with just his bare hands, an impressive physical feat. It's logical to assume, however horrifying the implications, that Strange can use the Time Stone to force people to undergo this effect as well. the Mind Stone, the Time Stone, and the Soul Stone. It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. KEEP READING: Eternals' Best Twist Was Making Its Superman the Secret Villain. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the warlord, who goes as far as to nearly kill Tony Stark it's at this moment that Doctor Strange decides to give up the Time Stone. Would have made for a less compelling story though i guess. His victory in Avengers:Infinity War ultimately comes down to his sheer force of will and ability to do what the Avengers and Guardians wouldn't to achieve his goal. Strange moved the apple forward after only practicing with the Stone for a minute - imagine what he would be capable of if he had just a little more time to hone his skills. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Does he view the world from a different perspective? Seeing as the Book of Vishanti had the ability to grant the reader anything they need to accomplish their goals, the Illuminati probably didn't have to endure five years of hardship before going back in time to get old versions of the Stones the way the Avengers did. There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. Stones destroyed. Add in the ability to use his shield, and the fact that he can wield Thor's hammer, and Cap is just as capable as anyone. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. Just two years later, Doctor Strange found himself fighting another near unstoppable force who threatened mass destruction: Thanos. Now, the iconic villain returns in a new way during Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, showing how Avengers: Endgame could have gone a different way with the Grimace look-alike. Avengers: Mech Strike #4 ends with a dead Thanos and a team out of options - eerily similar to the beginning of Avengers: Endgame. I don't think Strange can traverse universe that easily, or that he could do it at all. Then we wouldn't have another potentially multi billion dollars movie. Stones are destroyed. In Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame, Strange made it clear that there was only one way to defeat Thanos among more than 14 million options that he looked into. Why didn't he repeat the trick on Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War? Yes, its Thanos. It's likely the main reason he was able to take Stormbreaker to the chest and still live. I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They may have even ended the battle before Thanos even touched ground on Earth-838, meaning that Thanos would have been missing the Time and Mind Stones before completing the set. And what of the titular "endgame" itself? Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Or maybe Thanos resurrects Gamora out of grief, and this gives the Avengers the opening they need. Thanos and the Avengers' interests align in Avengers: Mech Strike #4by Jed Mackay and Carlos Magno. After viewing millions of possible futures, Strange only saw one way to final victory over Thanos and it involved the Mad Titan winning, if only for the moment. There are practically infinite possibilities and who's to say that there aren't more but he just didn't look past that first one. This is why I found this whole battle scenario quite interesting to think about. If heknew about this event, then hemay have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. I think he at least try it in 1/14000605 alternate futures. Indeed, Dormammu was from the Dark Dimension, an alternate world that is removed from any conventional understanding of time. If he knew about this event, then he may have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. Free creative use of the stones' implied abilities UNRESTRICTED by what was shown on-screen (within reason/logics). Now, Thanos has been seen in various projects sinceEndgame,albeit through nods like the connection to his brother Eros in Eternals or potential tiesto the Guardians of the Galaxy in Thor: Love and Thunder. Keep reading to find out. Round 1: Doctor Strange with time stone ( no prep) vs 4-stone Thanos, 20 feet apart, can both activate at the very moment the battle starts. Despite being vital in how they beat Thanos, Strange still surrendered himself to his allies because of his crime and didn't even resist when Black Bolt executed him. @zezima: logically four power stones should be more powerful than one power stone just by sheer quantity. I mean if everyone has a 50/50 to live or die one could argue that the one in 14 million is the exact set of circumstances that those individuals get you be exactly ever the needed to. Warning! It took him 14 million possibilities to one that they succeeded in. :) This guy does fake pitch meetings for movies and has about 10 of them devoted to MarvelDoctor Strange Pitch Meeting. Given Ant-Man's survival and confirmed role in Endgame, perhaps Strange is making an oblique chess reference to the size-swapping superhero taking on a more prominent role in the events of the film. This would ultimately lead to Earth-616's Avengers embarking on atime heist, restoring all life throughout the universe, and reducing Thanos' army with the snap of Iron Man's nano gauntlet inAvengers: Endgame. You may have also seen/heard him on the Total Geekall podcast, unaffiliated YouTube channels, BBC Radio and CBC News. You'll catch on eventually you practically answered why Strange could use that in the dark dimension and not on earth for example. This would've prevented the other Eternals from finding out their true purpose and rebelling. Wait was there a time stone in the drawer with the infinity stones? WebThe Real Reason Doctor Strange Didn't Fight Thanos Himself In Avengers: Endgame - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 2 The Real Reason Tom Cruise's Iron Man Wasn't In Doctor Strange 2 - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 3 Why doctor strange didn't use time stone on thanos #shorts - simp3s.net Reproducir Descargar 4 Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. With taking courses involving film, Ben has extensive knowledge of movies both new and old, and keeps up to date on all the latest goings-on in the film industry. He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. All of that leads to one big question, however - what happened in all of those alternate futures that Doctor Strange saw in Avengers: Infinity War? Copyright 2020 The Direct Media Group LLC. Impossible, they needed 2 movies out of the Thanos arc. With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. I like the comparison when Thanos changed the piece of scrap metal that got dropped on him into some type of large dark bats and when Doctor Strange did something similar to him he was expecting something worse and got butterflies. Share Improve this answer Follow edited Apr 9, 2020 at 4:42 A.R.K 103 6 In Infinity War, Thanos' primary goal on Titan is to get the Time Stone from Strange; bringing it out of wherever he'd hidden it to create a loop riskedexposing it to attack. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). Also, with how easily Thor was able to behead Thanos in the opening of Avengers: Endgame, it seems unlikely that in all14,000,605 outcomes, none of them resulted in the Gauntlet being taken from Thanos and him being killed. Some point out that Thanos' goal was to prevent overpopulation in the universe, and it's also possible that he knew of the Celestials and how they emerge. The following contains spoilers for Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, now playing in theaters. Directed by Joe and Anthony Russo, Avengers: Endgame stars Robert Downey Jr., Josh Brolin, Mark Ruffalo, Tom Hiddleston, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Jeremy Renner, Chris Pratt, Elizabeth Olsen, Chadwick Boseman, Sebastian Stan, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Samuel L. Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. The fourth Avengers film takes its title from one of the final lines in Infinity War, as Strange reassures Stark that they've moved into the "endgame" following Thanos departing forEarth to obtain the final Infinity Stone. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Brandon Zachary is a Senior Writer with Comic Book Resources and has written for CBR since 2018. Strength and power are not the same thing. In terms of strength physical strength no, Dr. Strange is not stronger than Thanos. Thanos is literall While Strange could control time with the Time stone, Thanos could control reality with the reality stone. In the prime MCU, Strange gave the Time Stone to Thanos after the Mad Titan stabbed Tony Stark, only leaving the villain one Infinity Stone short of completing the set as he left Strange, Stark, Spider-Man, and four of the Guardians of the Galaxy on Titan. What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I think he had the sling ring. Rights, lets do that. A place to discuss Plotholes, Continuity errors or even unexplained events for Movies, Books, Games, or anything else you can think of, Press J to jump to the feed. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? The Mad Titan could avoid this risk entirely, or it could spell out his final fate as part of Strange's larger plan. If even a small mistake or deviation from the plan was made he would rewind time and try again. Like in the MCU, the ultimate resolution came down to a plan by Doctor Strange -- albeit one that had far worse consequences. Of course, this is just my speculation and I would be glad to hear your thought even if to be proven wrong :-). During the battle on Titan at the end ofInfinity War, it's assumed that Doctor Strange did everything he could to prevent Thanos from winning in the long run. Strange to truly conjure up what he would consider to be a victory from the situation.". Strange, he immediately suggested they turn the ship around to go back to Earth rather than bringing the time stone closer to Thanos. Does Thor aim for the head? Marvel admits Doctor Strange had another way to take care of Thanos through time manipulationbut Thanos would suffer a horrific fate. This, however, would be extremely graphic and would no doubt clash with the family-friendly image Disney cultivates, even in a literal fight for all existence. None of the other allies can die. Plus, while we have seen Thanos used the most basic form of time manipulation but simply turning the time back, he is not a socerer so there is no gurantee he could cast/undo the higher form of spells such as time-loop.
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